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7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by Bignuggs on Wed 22 Jul 2015, 7:11 pm

There has been some talk about the new coils for the 5000 and how good they are.
I can't see I have seen a good test between the 5000/new coil combo and the 7000
Anyone got some info about this.  It could be interesting.

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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by AuHunter on Fri 24 Jul 2015, 7:34 am

I dont think the coils are going to make much difference in the comparison between the two. The Zed will wipe the floor with them...it would still be interesting though.

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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by Viper on Fri 24 Jul 2015, 8:38 am

Cannot say much about the 5000 as I have a GP extreme. It seems to me a money thing with the 7000's. If you can afford one by all means get it, it was the same with the 5000's. Its a lot of money to outlay & a lot of gold to find to return the money. I have found that every one I run into on the old patches lately has a 7000. They are doing well on the small stuff 6 pieces to the gram... but heh gold is gold.... I have also found people going over the same ground again with a 7000 & picking up smaller gold.. a settings thing I guess.

I received my Coiltek Mono Elite 4 days ago... Have found 11 grams with it so far. Extremes love hot rock but I find that with the elite it cuts a great deal of that out. It is a steady quiet coil if there is a change in pitch you know it.

For those of you like me that have got a tight budget & would love to improve your chances.

The Coiltek Mono Elite is worthy of your consideration... I'm certainly not regretting it
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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by david dj on Fri 24 Jul 2015, 9:27 am

paid for itself first time out 17.5g in five days very pleased with the mono elite good sharp signal

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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by Guest on Mon 27 Jul 2015, 3:52 am

I don't think that there is a comparison between the 5000 and the 7000, just as I don't see any real benefits between the 4500 and the 5000, I have owned both and personally I prefer the 4500, as there was a definite increase in performance between the 4000 and the 4500 I would have expected some real differences between the 5000 and the 7000 particularly for the huge increase in cost.: suspect:

In my opinion going to a 7000 is not worth the cost, in all honesty if all you are getting is small pieces then run a small coil on the 4500/5000 and you also get small pieces, further to that I have a 2300 as well and if you want small pieces then it will get bee's balls, even the purchase of both of these machines still comes under the cost of the overpriced and underachieving 7000. Laughing

Also you have the added benefit of being able to change coils as often as you need to on the 4500/5000 as conditions dictate, and with the 2300 you can easily carry it on the bike or quad and have a capable back up machine or something that you can have a quick sniff around with rather than harness up.

The ability to be able to change coils as conditions dictate in my opinion is the key to getting consistent gold, no one coil will do everything, and all have their strengths and weaknesses, the trick is to recognise when and where to use what coil.

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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by flyrock on Mon 27 Jul 2015, 8:09 pm

22gms in first 8 days with the elite - great coil

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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by Flying kiwi on Tue 28 Jul 2015, 10:31 am

yea paid for mine (the coil) first trip out half oz bit Very Happy
I have had to go up 2 pick sizes cause of all the deep holes ive been digging Very Happy

I wonder who will be the first to build a 18-20in of this new generation of coil.
im not sure if the overall depth is greater but the signal response is so much more positive which at the end of the day is what pulls you up to investigate further

as for the 7000 no comment don't own one

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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by NuggieDreamer on Tue 28 Jul 2015, 12:11 pm

Maybe the purchase of a new generation coil that has proven itself has a better return ratio than the expense of a new 10.5K beeper?

New 5000 $6000
New 14" Elite Camo Coil $450
Total $6450 & 3 Coils (2 x 11'' coils come with the 5000).
at the rate of $400 per trip = 16 Trips (say 4 trips/yr = 4yr Return)

New 7000 $10500
at the rate of $400 per trip (if that good) = 26 Trips (say 4 trips/yr = 6.5yr Return, 60% longer!)

That gives me plenty of time to save up for a New 9K in a few years cheers
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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by Bignuggs on Tue 28 Jul 2015, 4:53 pm

9K ?? Nuggie I reckon it'll be the GPZ7000.2 or the GPZ75000
An update on the original and if they can't update the first, I'm gunna be totally P*ssed off   Twisted Evil
I stand by this statement, "Minelab have a lot to answer for producing a machine that is lacking in a lot of aspects".
It can't be used near salt and it doesn't have a salt setting.  And you pay $10.7K. Well done ML.
Yep, I'm starting to wonder.  It's all about money and profit buts thats how it all works now.

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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by IsmaelJ on Tue 28 Jul 2015, 6:23 pm

Bignuggs wrote:9K ?? Nuggie I reckon it'll be the GPZ7000.2 or the GPZ75000
An update on the original and if they can't update the first, I'm gunna be totally P*ssed off   Twisted Evil
I stand by this statement, "Minelab have a lot to answer for producing a machine that is lacking in a lot of aspects".
It can't be used near salt and it doesn't have a salt setting.  And you pay $10.7K. Well done ML.
Yep, I'm starting to wonder.  It's all about money and profit buts thats how it all works now.

Couldn't agree more! I nearly rushed out to buy one then I saw Rays reports about the salt issue and then mates of mine in Kal also. This put me off and although I have a great relationship with ML I didn't trust the spiel that "a software upgrade" will sort out the problems. They could have done that with the 45's but that's a different story so don't get me started. I really hope they can do the right thing.

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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by flyrock on Tue 28 Jul 2015, 6:57 pm

first trip with elite - 22gms in 8 days. biggest 4g at 8". blanked out at 3" - very sensitive.


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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by martinjsto on Tue 28 Jul 2015, 7:56 pm

ive seen those nuggets before Phil, Very Happy
we did a test using the elite coil on a 5k against the 7k on a buried target and the elite sounded off very clear, the 5k with the 11 inch mono gave a faint but stoppable response but alas the 7k didnt register the target, after a bit of a fiddle with the settings it did pick it up but not a pull me up response. target was half a gram at around 8 inches. I borrowed Phils elite for half a day and pinged the smallest bit of 0.2 g at 4 inches on an old tailings pile. very sensitive coil and a game changer for the 5k.

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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by Golditch on Tue 28 Jul 2015, 8:16 pm

Some good points here guys but in all the tests and success story's on the 5000 and 7000 it comes down to a few main points . No 1. You can have the best detector in the world but if your not sure how to use it properly and don't use different setting for different situations it will be the same result. No 2. It's like fishing if your not out there in the correct areas and out there swinging you will be in the same boat. Personally I don't have a 7000 , and don't see the point as yet as I own a 5000 with different coils. I have found patches one trip and gone over agin next trip with different weather and setting and found gold again that I have missed. If your not using the equipment to its full potential first up you can buy all the new wiz bang gear but be in the same position as the standard Mte that's just started prospecting.
Cheers and get that YELLA

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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by Stingray on Wed 29 Jul 2015, 6:44 pm

I haven't used it myself but was working with a bloke that was. Geez they must have some grunt, I couldn't work within about 100m of him without it making my 45 jumpy even when autotuned out! Anyone else noticed that?

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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by cruiser1 on Mon 03 Aug 2015, 6:40 pm

Some nice gold there Phil,You would have to be happy with the results of the new coil.You must have got on to some nice gold after John and I moved on.

Cheers

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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by Flying kiwi on Mon 03 Aug 2015, 7:10 pm

Going to put it out there
In my view if a 18 or 20in of this next generation of coil is built it will punch deeper than any other combo run over the goldfields to date

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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by NuggieDreamer on Sun 09 Aug 2015, 10:50 am

Things I found with the New Coiltek 14" Elite;

Forget trying to work within 100m of your mate swinging a 7K or another mate with a another Coiltek 14" Elite Mono

Unless the 7K is ground balanced properly, the Coiltek 14" Elite Mono has a higher response to sub-gram surface targets and runs quieter than than 11" ML Commander Mono.

The Coiltek 14" Elite Mono will make you look like a detectorist who is swinging a 7K as your holes look remarkably similar in size.

Pinpointing - seems the 14" Elite has an initial response to a shallow target right near its edge that gets MUCH louder about 20mm further in from the edge (so this can make narrowing a target down a bit harder until you get use to it)

Running in 'Normal Timings' in hot ground even in Quiet Audio without choking the hell out of the machine with Stabilizer adjustment IS NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE
Running in 'Special / Fine Gold Timings' on the same ground, I could get the thing to run quiet with a tinkle of ground noise in the threshold running an 20-18 Rx-Gain and Stabilizer at 12. (Nothing Ive been able to do, but maybe an 8" ML Commander Mono.)

Don't expect the Coiltek sticker to not start unpeeling on the 1st day of use.
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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by cruiser1 on Sun 09 Aug 2015, 11:18 am

Thanks for the report on the 14''Elite.I think I will have to off load some other coils and add this one to my arsonal of coils now.

Cheers

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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by flyrock on Mon 17 Aug 2015, 7:14 pm

Hi all

Your right Phil, I found a nice run after you and John left. Picked up some 1g, 2g and 4gmers. Just got back from Cue last night. Found 51g in the last 3 weeks. The elite is sensational. Did some more testing against the 7k - is as good (maybe better) on the small bits, still waiting for one of us to find a bigger/deeper one to compare the 7/5-elite before digging!

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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by cruiser1 on Mon 17 Aug 2015, 8:45 pm

Nice going Phil,sounds excellent.
Have sent you a pm.
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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by martinjsto on Tue 18 Aug 2015, 11:45 am

nice work Phil, thats a great return for your work. has Gail got the bug now? im just about to head off again, leaving tomorrow early morning and catching up with Jase north of meeka for a 7 to 10 day stint. we will probably move on later back to Quinns and finish off there.
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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by wilddog on Tue 18 Aug 2015, 2:34 pm

I have a 4000, sounds like the Elite has to be run in smooth timings ...........nuggetfinder has an 17 inch soon, wonder how it compares.???

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Re: 7000 versus new coils for the 5000

Post by NuggieDreamer on Wed 19 Aug 2015, 7:44 am

wilddog wrote:I have a 4000, sounds like the Elite has to be run in smooth timings ...........nuggetfinder has an 17 inch soon, wonder how it compares.???

Ive read a post on another forum that demonstrated the Elite being is deadly in Normal timings for depth BUT try finding an area in WA where you can do that!
Still though, Normal can be a good option to switch to, if you come across an iffy broad sounding target in a smooth timing your using. Ive tried it in Enhance as well as Special/Fine Gold timings and surprisingly didn't notice any real difference in ground noise feedback with the Gain at 18, Stab 12 and Audio in Normal if swinging slow. If you run the Audio in Deep or Boost you do need to drop back the Gain to 14 and increase Stabilizer to 8 if you still want your machine to run as quiet but the target response sharpness drops.

Reburied Cliff's 7g nugget find where he found it with his 7K buried down almost a foot deep, in an old creek bed at Quinns where the ground was a bit hot and it had a BOOMING inverted response with the Elite in FG. He just walked over it 1st... DOH! kwdf
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