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Post by Topcat on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 6:00 pm

This is an email I received from the Secretary of the Mandurah Branch of APLA

"The main branch of APLA has put forward a notice of motion to be raised at the Annual AGM in Leonora in September. This motion concerns increasing your yearly membership fee.
"During last night phone conference with other delegates of the management committee it was raised that an increase to memberships be raised at the AGM and voted on.
Notice of Motion was to increase Memberships,
Individual from $70 to $110
Couple from $70 to $110
Family from $110 to $150
Pensioners from $50 to $80.
This equates to approx a 57% increase and will need to be explained well.
I think it is important to let our members know of the possible increase and let them have their say. If they are not going to the AGM let either you or myself know and we will vote for them by proxy.
It will be too late after they have voted it in."

These increases definitely need to be justified.
Please pass this message on to all APLA members & if you are not attending then give your vote to your respective branch secretary.

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Ted


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Post by Golditch on Wed 09 Aug 2017, 10:07 pm

Hi all,
All i can say is apla are concerned on member numbers as thay may not be, and the saftey of prospectors they may require to readjust the rise of fees approsed.
We prospect for gold not pick it off trees!!

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Post by pilko on Thu 10 Aug 2017, 7:06 am

Hi Golditch...without APLA you won't be prospecting...simple.

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Post by Golditch on Thu 10 Aug 2017, 5:24 pm

Hi Pilko,

Thats right you hit the nail on the head, no membership no apla! Rise of fees best be required for member puposes!

Guess we will see.

Cheers golditch

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Post by Nanjim on Fri 11 Aug 2017, 6:59 am

Without APLA we the prospecters have no voice...

Cheers Nanjim

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Post by pilko on Fri 11 Aug 2017, 7:40 am

Hi Golditch...your right and I get it...no one wants to pay more. I'm not rich and would also prefer not to....for me 30 bucks is still 30 bucks! I suppose I see what's going on behind the scenes more than most???...APLA is getting bombarded with issues...and I mean bombarded...most from DMP and from a number of other groups/departments. I see that 'physically' something will have to give as there is no way a small volunteer group can keep up the pace.At some point people will say enough is enough. For what it's worth...my opinion is that it s DMP/govt that are making so many changes and it should be the DMP that pony's up 200k a year so that APLA can get professional help...but that will never happen...DMP hasn't got enough budget for photocopy paper! Most likely the idea of a membership fee increase will be shouted down...but I hope people see the bigger picture that they are a part of holding a WA Miners right. I have no interest in political stuff...not my scene...but I do see what's on the horizon for prospectors.

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Post by Flying kiwi on Fri 11 Aug 2017, 10:21 am

I'm with Tony on this Les and the team are fighting bloody hard for us against a constant barrage from DMP and others.
The fact that the little guy can still get out there and have a go is in large part due to their good work over many years
If APLA need another $30 bucks from me to keep up the good fight no worries

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Post by Young Simmo on Fri 11 Aug 2017, 10:08 pm

I collect stamps and don't pay a cent, my cousin collects coins and doesn't pay a cent, my neighbor  collects bottles and doesn't pay a cent, the bloke over the roads collects  rubbish and get's payed for doing it, and my Grand Mother used to collect kisses for free. People collecting bits of gold watch out.
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Post by gold n beer on Sat 12 Aug 2017, 6:11 am

i pay $700 a year in public liability insurance for my small business for minimal cover i think 5 or 10 mil
i believe you get the same coverage by being a APLA member, i'm not a member but i must admit I've got no excuse not to be even though i don't get out prospecting much that's no excuse as i consider prospecting to be my main hobby.
mind you i do scratch my head over why this liability insurance is necessary both with prospecting and my work
I've had it explained to me all the what if's. what if someone enter's my job site and hurt's them self [well there illegally entering by law even owners of the house i'm building are not allowed on site whilst we are working].
what if some idiot crashes into my parked car and trailer on the road whilst i'm working [well car insurance cover's car damage and third party should cover personal injuries]. etc,etc
i cannot figure out how any similar circumstance can apply and be held up in prospecting as we all know insurance companies will do everything in there power not to pay up, i wonder if there has been any successful claims from or against APLA member's since this coverage has been part of membership and for what reason's.
anyway nothing against APLA, as a matter of fact i will sign up today.
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Post by gold n beer on Sat 12 Aug 2017, 6:46 am

just signed up done
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Post by pilko on Sat 12 Aug 2017, 7:08 am

g'day Jase,

I'm not 100% sure of my facts...but as I understand it.....prospectors don't 'need' public liability insurance as we re covered by the mining act....I understand that there has never been a case. The PLI is important though as it makes companies feel warm and fuzzy...doesn't mean it's correct but it opens doors for prospectors to go on company ground.
The only real reason to support APLA (as far as I can see) is that it keeps us on the ground.

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Post by Wedgetail on Sat 12 Aug 2017, 9:34 am

PLI is not required under the terms of the Mining Act. However, that only applies when you are on Vacant Crown Land. When you get permission from a company to prospect on their tenements they can place any condition they like on that permit. Remember one the UNWRITTEN "Golden Rules of Prospecting" - "they that have the gold make the rules". They can do it because they can!! NB - Sect 40e permits do not require PLI as the permit is an agreement between you and the Mines Dept (now known as DMIRS) and not between you and the company.

The question has been asked as to why PLI is stipulated. The answer - "anything untoward that happens on a mining tenement, be that safety breaches, a accident, equipment damage, signage or fence damage, environmental damage IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TENEMENT HOLDER". So if you do have a head on smash with geologist's ute and he's injured, he can sue the company,,,,,and the company will subsequently seek a PLI payout from APLA's insurance policy. Similarly, if you cut down trees, do dodgy "scrape n detect" operation or do enviro damage it's the company that cop the flak, not you. Howeever, you will be prosecuted by DMIRS for illegal mining and by the Enviro Protection Act for illegal vegetation clearing!! Twisted Evil

We have had one claim already. That was paid out without a fuss.

OK? All Happy?

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Post by Wedgetail on Sat 12 Aug 2017, 10:45 am

There are many reasons why APLA must increase its fee by such percentage.

APLA was in a parlous state prior to two years go. We were losing members, we were losing money, the finances were a mess, the admin was disgrace, the website was also a disgrace and humiliating to read, the membership system was embarrassingly bad. At the time, the membership was handled by a business management company in Kalgoorlie and it was total mess that was costing APLA a small fortune. There hasn’t been a substantial increase in fees for some years but our outgoings have increased. Read on.

After a massive upheaval there was finally a management change. There had to be. Not only was APLA falling into disrepair we were losing relevance, position and influence due to poor representation and internal fighting. The management was comprehensively changed about 18 months ago and here we are today.

The membership system and APLA’s finances are now firmly controlled by APLA thanks to some real heavy lifting and sleepless nights by an APLA stalwart. He nearly had a nervous breakdown recovering the mess we were in. That person now runs the APLA website for us and is at present unpaid for that and the mighty job he did in dragging APLA out of obscurity and oblivion.
Next is the current Treasurer who has now almost completed the Herculean task of computerising the Treasury and the memberships. He hasn’t been paid either as far as I know. I do know that he was often awake at 2.00 am sorting out members that had problems with cards, lost money, etc. That went on for months and I was part of that as well. The phone never stopped ringing at all hours of the day n night and weekends with people that had not received cards, paid 24 hours ago and wanted a card NOW. Next year we hope members realise we don’t get paid a fortune for this work and we don’t have an office with a secretary. I often work from the bush, with a dodgy phone and internet connection – like now.

It’s people like these, good people that put in the hard yards for APLA that need recognition, reward and recompense. Otherwise they become burnt out & quit. We then get another load of newbies and we make all the same mistakes again. APLA must retain the good people. We can’t afford a fortune but we should be able to afford something more than a pittance for the hours that get put in.

The issues and the problems are increasing. When I was asked to take on the job of APLA President I ran a mile! But I was pressured by members to take over. I saw that something had to be done or prospectors would become irrelevant and ignored. If you don’t have a voice, you are ignored and that was what was happening. I came on onboard to rebuild APLA and make it OUR voice to government, to pastoralists, to Members of Parliament, to government departments and private “green” organisations. My take on it all? - we may not win every base but if we don’t have a voice we won’t win any. That takes a lot of effort from the APLA team and myself to maintain that presence, that pressure, that relevance, that persistence takes time and costs money. I can’t afford to pay out for air flights to Kalgoorlie or back to Perth to meet MPs and govt people, pay for fuel for 1000 kms round trips for meetings with politicians etc, wear n tear on my old 1998 Nissan Patrol, motel rooms, fuel, tyres. Would all those who have dissenting views like to take on these costs from their own pockets I wonder?? My time doesn’t even come into it yet!

To do the job of APLA President, you need knowledge, depth of experience and history sufficient to challenge and argue successfully with those that are our opposition, those that would forget we are here and those that don’t want us here. The incumbent also needs to be able to hold together a team of opinionated and knowledgeable people that often have conflicting views on many matters. It's not easy holding "this lot" together lol!

There are people on this forum who have benefited greatly from just picking up the phone and talking to APLA. From there, APLA either talks directly to the people creating the problem or has the right contacts to take it further with the people that can fix it. That takes time and a bloody huge phone bill!! Is that supposed to come out of my pocket along with the expenses I’ve mentioned above? I live on my superann & I can't afford that.

For months now I have made the APLA Executive aware that we need to look for someone to replace the current President. I’m getting too old for the stress and the time it takes from my family. I was only ever a “stop gap” solution to an immediate and threatening problem. But the silence is deafening. Nobody wants the job. I wonder why?

The argument for the increase in fees is simple – the people that keep you out there and provide a united voice for you need to be recompensed for their efforts. APLA does far, far more now than it once did because it must. That effort costs money and that cost shouldn’t be borne by those that put in the effort. APLA needs to compete with the increasing forces that we face and for that we need people and for them to stay, we need to pay them something.

There will always be the bludgers that benefit from the work that APLA does but don't pay up. We can't avoid that but I would ask them to have a good look at what they enjoy doing and then think about those people that enable you do go out there and "just do it" without having a care in the world.

There may well be arguments against the increased fees but I will give you an assurance that if no increases are forthcoming there will be at least one amongst us that will be reconsidering his position in APLA. ‘Nuff said?

PS – if anyone wants a list of the meetings I do in a year and the organisations we must deal with, I’ll do it here in another message. This is long enough as it is! Let me know.

W

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Post by Bignuggs on Sat 12 Aug 2017, 11:37 am

Well said Les. Costs always go up, never down and people should be compensated for their time.
I haven't looked yet but does the APLA website have a donation function ?
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Post by forky on Sat 12 Aug 2017, 3:06 pm

Well said Wedgetail keep up the good work

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Post by Nanjim on Sat 12 Aug 2017, 8:28 pm

Here here wedgie...
Well said.....

Cheers Nanjim
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Post by Wedgetail on Sun 13 Aug 2017, 1:48 pm

Bignuggs wrote:Well said Les.  Costs always go up, never down and people should be compensated for their time.
I haven't looked yet but does the APLA website have a donation function ?
Cheers
Cliff

Cliff,

I dunno if we have a donation system although I have actually made an "administrative donation" in the past to cover expenses that I incurred but had been covered elsewhere.

I could PM you our bank account details but wait a while & I'll see if we can arrange a "certificate" or such like. More soon.

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Post by Bignuggs on Sun 13 Aug 2017, 2:44 pm

I look at it this way. I'm a smoker and a drinker. the cost of one less packet of cigs or carton of beer donated to APLA won't kill me but it will help a bit to keep me in the game.
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Post by Topcat on Sun 13 Aug 2017, 6:01 pm

Hi Les,

Same sediments as Cliff, good idea with the donation system on the APLA website.

Cheers

Ted

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Post by greg greg on Wed 11 Oct 2017, 6:41 pm

Hi Topcat,

I'm a Qlder living in WA, your rights by comparison as a prospector are sensational, just look at the 40e permits.
In Qld you would be fined and possibly worse. APLA have done a great job, I joined before I even arrived here.
Money well spent.

Greg

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Post by martinjsto on Wed 11 Oct 2017, 9:29 pm

a rise in fees was inevitable and long overdue. these people work bloody hard so we can keep swinging. i for one are happy to chuck in another gram for a year of membership and all that it awards me.
keep up the good work guys

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